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1. Scott
   Thank you for the discussion on the LS, I appreciate the input you all had to share and I do hope there will be more dialogue on it. The answer to the question of wether or not I am an elder is Yes, I am’

   Thanks again
   Johnny

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2. 30 percent of this was fluff, wasted time.

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   • TB,

     I understand that not every part of every episode is for everyone but what I’ve never understood is why people don’t just stop listening. I think to myself, “Well, perhaps he’s being held hostage?” Yet, obviously, you have access to the internet and a keyboard. If you’re being held hostage, why didn’t you contact them instead of me? If you’re hostage, you’re quite stupid—maybe from drugs or being hit on the head? I wonder! I hope you’re alright now. If not, let me know where you are and I’ll call the authorities so they can send the Hostage Rescue Team.

     If you’re not being held hostage and yet you listened to an episode 30% of which you found to be fluff and wasted time, well, that’s on you buddy.

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   • Only 30% was fluff? So, 70% was good? We’ll take it.

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3. I’d like to comment on the schooling aspect of the discussion. My wife and I both grew up homeschooled…all 12 years. We started the first 10 years of parenting homeschooling our children. We have 10 kids and it got beyond our capabilities. We live in a rural community in Indiana and the closest Christian school is a Baptist school 30 mins away and there have been issues with it. We decided to start sending our kids to a public school because 1. academically, it’s a good school…they have won state awards and 2. we know that since it’s public, we will have to be involved and pay attention. With Christian schools, Christian’s tend to fall asleep at the wheel and just let things happen “because it’s Christian.”

   Another point, from what I understand, that statement was actually in reference to seminaries, not primary schooling? The purpose being identifying those that may be called to serve as ministers. That would leave primary schooling to Christian liberty and the parent’s decision.

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   • Ryan,

     Heidelberg 103, according to Ursinus, is speaking specifically to the education of ministers but the Church Order of the URCNA is speaking more broadly.

     We should pay attention to what our children are being taught and by whom where ever we send them. The public schools everywhere in this country are increasingly dominated by bad pedagogical theories and worse practice and, judging by the police reports, populated by a stunning number of pedophiles. This is not hyperbole. There are several people and at least one organization now actively tracking published news reports.

     As to pedagogical theory, ask your teachers and administrators whether they’ve read Paulo Freire, Pedagogy of the Oppressed: An Education for Humanization (NY: Seabury Press, 1974) and if so, what they make of it. A 50th anniversary edition was republished. Selections have been included in a “Christian Education” reader (Baker, 1992). It’s a Marxist analysis of and proposal for education. It’s one of the most influential texts in modern education. I checked my university and it’s treated as a basic text in the college of education in the University.

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4. I had an elder tell me once that if he found himself in a situation where there were no grapes to crush for making the contents of the cup, and yet he had a watermelon he could use that since it too would produce ‘fruit of the vine’

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