- All the Episodes of the Heidelcast
- Superfriends Saturday Hosts and Episodes
- Subscribe to the Heidelcast!
- On X @Heidelcast
- On Insta & Facebook @Heidelcast
- Subscribe in Apple Podcast
- Subscribe directly via RSS
- Call The Heidelphone via Voice Memo On Your Phone
- The Heidelcast is available wherever podcasts are found including Spotify.
Call or text the Heidelphone anytime at (760) 618-1563. Leave a message or email us a voice memo from your phone and we may use it in a future podcast. Record it and email it to heidelcast@heidelblog.net. If you benefit from the Heidelcast please leave a five-star review on Apple Podcasts so that others can find it. Please do not forget to make the coffer clink (see the donate button below).
SHOW NOTES
- How To Subscribe To Heidelmedia
- Download the HeidelApp on Apple App Store or Google Play
- The Heidelblog Resource Page
- Heidelmedia Resources
- The Ecumenical Creeds
- The Reformed Confessions
- The Heidelberg Catechism
- The Heidelberg Catechism: A Historical, Theological, & Pastoral Commentary (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2025)
- Recovering the Reformed Confession (Phillipsburg: P&R Publishing, 2008)
- Why I Am A Christian
- What Must A Christian Believe?
- Heidelblog Contributors
- Support Heidelmedia: use the donate button or send a check to:
Heidelberg Reformation Association
1637 E. Valley Parkway #391
Escondido CA 92027The HRA is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization
Estelle seems to have been drawing from Kidner’s articulation of the relationship of Proverbs, Job, and Ecclesiastes: https://www.wtsbooks.com/products/the-wisdom-of-proverbs-job-and-ecclesiastes-derek-kidner-9780877844051.
Philip,
Dr Estelle has done a lot of original research and is widely read in the literature. I imagine he has read Kidner. Who hasn’t?
Is there a reason why you assigned this direct relationship?
I was just giving the reference for people (like Joni) who don’t have access to Estelle’s unpublished lecture material. 🙂 Kidner’s exposition is worth reading in full.
Thomas,
I appreciate this. I understood you to be saying that Dr Estelle derived his view from Kidner.
My mother used to say the same to me very often: If everybody jumps from a bridge would you do the same?
The purpose of the book of Job is to show us that the defeat of the devil and the reconciliation of man is through God cursing a righteous man. Job’s friends were solid covenant theologians who insisted that God’s justice is overthrown by insisting on personal righteousness (which is a virtual impossibility) while exhibiting the cursed lot of the wicked (which is an overthrow of covenant justice). Job, in the end (42:7) is commended, “God can curse a righteous man” and His friends rejecting this core Gospel truth, being committed to the terms of the law, were required to affirm it in the following verses by bringing their sacrifices to Job, the righteous one, bearing curses not his own! The purpose? Display God’s higher wisdom of redemption in defeating the devil through Christ the righteous curse bearer. Job’s trials were not undifferentiated sovereign providences, but as Wolfers, the Jew observed, were specific curse sanctions from Deuteronomy for law breakers. Friends-“God cannot curse a righteous man in violation of his own law covenant”. Job-“Yes, he can”. Friends reject such foolishness. Job embodies it and is mystified. Without this, you can kiss redemption good-bye! (sorry for this long, unconventional answer to the question).