Heidelcast For Dec, 10 2023: A Federal Vision Special

In this episode Dr Clark talks to the Rev Lane Keister, who, 13 years ago was serving a dual charge in South Dakota. Today he is pastor of Momence OPC in Momence, IL and he’s currently working on a PhD. In this episode Dr Clark and Rev Keister describe the Federal Vision theology and identify some of its characteristics. The second segment is from a 2013 episode of the Heidelcast in which Dr Clark explained why we should not turn away our eyes from the Federal Vision theology. It will come back because versions of this theology always do come back in the history of the church. The opening features R. C Sproul speaking on the floor of the PCA General Assembly in 2007. For more on the federal vision theology check out the show notes for this episode.

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11 comments

  1. When I click on “continue reading” I get a blank space where the audio access should be.

  2. No, it’s the same thing on all the recent Heidelcast audio. No audio player, the space is blank. Maybe its a problem with my phone.

  3. Finally found a way to access this on my old phone by googling “access to Heidelcast” and found Player FM, which got me to the complete list of all Heidelcasts. If anyone else has had this problem, and is not exactly digital savvy, like me, here is a way.
    This Heidelcast is s great review and summary of what is wrong with the Federal Vision.

  4. This is a single-theme reading on similarity between FV issues and the application/interpretation of Scripture along racial and sexual lines in the last 10 years (I’ll use Shenvi’s term “Contemporary critical theory”): they each add or subtract distinctions within the church, wrongly skewing group identity with symbolism.

    The FV proponents challenge the literal/symbolic nature of baptism (for example). They wrongly flatten the nature of the covenant so that all those outwardly members are also inwardly members, spiritual united to Christ.

    Contemporary critical theory does the opposite in a certain respect: FV Proponents SUBTRACT a distinction (visible/invisible), while critical theorists ADD a distinction (black/white, or homo/hetero).

    Each group uses their added distinction (or lack thereof) to teach their new idea of faithfulness (rather than faith).
    It may seem that the FV proponent is making a theological subtraction while contemporary critical theorists are simply or only distinguishing along a social binary. But since the contemporary critical theorist is reading the social binary into Scripture it cannot be separated from theology.

    The FV proponent is replacing the symbolic (sign and seal) nature of baptism (for example) with actual instantaneous union with Christ; the contemporary critical theorist is replacing the actual literal union accomplished by Christ (Jew and gentile reconciled, all nations etc) with a prophetic symbolic union that we do by uniting a social binary (black/white or homo/hetero)

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