If you’re an iPhone, iPod touch user and interested in the Reformed faith then have we got a gift for you: a free iPhone app from WSC. This app contains the ecumenical creeds and Reformed confessions. Thanks to app developer James H. Price, to John Terrell (M.Div, ’09), Young-Mi Cha, Steve Oeverman (WSC M.Div, ’04), and the John Fesko (Academic Dean and Associate Professor of Systematic Theology).
wow wow this is really really awesome. don’t tempt me to go buy iphone just for this!!
Thanks for this app. I love the hyperlink for the Scripture proofs.
This is great. Love it!
Thought it would be great to add as an appendix:
The Savoy Declaration 1658
1644-1689 London Baptist Confession
But it is still great app. to have without them.
The 1644-1689 London Baptist Confession?
Did you miss the title of the app? It’s Christian Creeds & Reformed Confessions. 🙂
Ya, that was by I said appendix. Since the Reform Baptist have been relying on the shoulders of the beloved Presbyterian brethren, why stop now? 🙂 I am sure students of James Renihan would really appreciate it. And those of us who are gleaners from the left over corners from the plentiful harvest of learning found in the Reform Presbyterian and Baptist houses rejoice to shear their finding with the churches where they serve. Or if you like, I am proud to be that dog that would get to lick up the crumbs that falls from my beloved Presbyterian brother’s table, this app. has been one of those morsels that I will chew over for a long time. Had there been more meat I would be very happy about, or just as is, I am still very happy with it.
Disclaimer: the comments on Alabama and Auburn football, while an analogy, should not be read as an insult of Baptists, unless they are Auburn fans. 🙂
I’m sorry, I just don’t understand.
For example, I’m an Alabama fan and I just got a book on the history of Alabama football. If it had an appendix on the history of Auburn football, then I would not want it. Nor would an Auburn fan want it.
Why not when they’re both from the best conference in college football and even the same state? Surely they each benefit from the other’s success, right? Right, but a book about the history of Alabama football is not the place for an appendix on Auburn football. If I wanted a book that had both, then I’d get one on the history of SEC football. But if I just want one on the National Champs, then I’ll get the one titled the History of Alabama Football and not expect to find an appendix on Auburn football.
Same should go for this app. Let’s be clear about what is being provided so that we don’t confuse people. Just think of someone moving to Alabama, from say Korea or somewhere, and being told they need to study up on Alabama football. And when they go to the History of Alabama Football book and find an appendix on Auburn football they begin to think there really isn’t much difference other than the uniforms and mascots. Besides all this football stuff is new to them anyway, and they can’t understand how there could be that much difference when both teams are in the state of Alabama, play in the same conference, and this book titled The History of Alabama Football has an appendix on Auburn football. They might decide not to worry about it too much and just enjoy football and pull for Auburn since the live closer to that town.
This would be sad indeed, because in reality one has 13 national championships and the other has 1. One made football what it is in the South, the other just benefited from their success. One is true football, the other is just a game.
So it’s not that I don’t want others to benefit, I’m just asking for clarity. See I came to be Reformed from a Baptist background, and I think it took a lot longer than it should have due to the lack of clear distinctions, that’s all. I still can’t figure out why Particular Baptist don’t want to be as clear as possible, why they want to keep calling themselves Reformed, why they want to be included in all things Reformed. Auburn fans would just write their own book; because even though Alabama football is better, they don’t want to be confused with it. Why don’t Particular Baptist do the same?
Still I’m not saying a Reformed person can’t write an app for Protestant confessions and include the Baptist one. That would be the place for it, but this app isn’t the place for it. If it was, then why not also include Lutheran confessions, Anglican confessions, etc. I think we know why. They have their own identity and don’t want to be confused with the Reformed.
You had me worried there for a second. The phrase “Ecumenical Creeds” refers to the neo-modern translations of catholic creeds (especially the Nicene Creed) that were produced in the 1970’s, and which changed many Christian doctrines away from what reformed Christians can agree with wholeheartedly. Example: the creeds in the Episcopal Church’s 1979 Book of Common Prayer which are markedly different from the 1662 Book of Common Prayer. Upon downloading the application I discovered to my relief that the actual version is NOT the ecumenical one but is rather the catholic one; .
Ecumenical is Greek for “universal.” It’s synonymous with the meaning of “catholic,” (note the lower case). The Ecumenical Creeds has nothing to do with the modern ecumenical movement. Poor translations of ecumenical creeds doesn’t change the sense of the adjective “ecumenical.” In this context, “ecumenical” has the sense of “transcends particular traditions” or “confessed by all Christians in all places and times.”
Is there a way to have any of these creeds/confessions in Spanish on the app? Just found this app today! Thanks!
Good question. I’ll look into itbut it might take a while to get organized.